In Ep. 34 we visit Switzerland and India, and find that we all need more cowbell
Part 1 [03:20] - In which we see how the head is often clueless concerning what the heart knows, and what the heart wants... and what it wants is: Swiss cheese???
Part 2 [23:43] - In which Hansel tells a little white lie… we go scouring the internet in search of the truth, and all we can find is some long-winded, papal bull.sh...er, I mean declaration
[well, look who's here! I thought you weren't coming.]
[don't leave me here! don't leave me here! don't leave me here!!!]
🎶 🎹 dramatic organ music 🎹 🎶
🎶 🔔 deep church bell 🔔 🎶
Bless me Fader, for I have sinned... it’s been almost a month since my last episode...
[not good]
[well, I think it’s good but there could be more]
[that’s the only fault I would have that it isn’t often enough]
um, thanks, uh Fadder???
🎶 ANACHRONIST 🎶
Hey there...! welcome back to the Hansel and Gretel Code... this here is Episode 34... and yes... I’m over that fucking Covid crap...!
[it really fucking sucks!]
[nonesnse!]
[sound of coughing]
In our last episode:
we found the Holzhacker family out on the trail leading into the great forest... with Hansel stopping along the way to look back at their little house and home...
considering the circumstance, that isn’t just Hansel being sneaky, it makes for a good indication of homesickness... don’tcha think...?
[certainly]
and not just literally, with the little brother hoping to eventually make it back home with his sister... I’m talking big-picture... I’m talking metaphor...
this looking back business symbolizes a specific sort of homesickness: a kind of longing that, is, in fact, an underlying theme of the entire fairytale...
just as many medieval Christians longed to return to that Old-Time Religion, and embraced the poverty and lifestyle of the apostles... Hansel’s looking back represents the longing of the entire Germanic people to return to their Intuitive, pre-syncretic roots... to the pre-christian ways of their ancestors...
and that’s something we’re going to prove with the next couple of lines of the fairytale...
so buckle your seat belts... because in order to get there, we’re gonna take a quick trip to Switzerland, followed by an intense little journey to India... then, once we get back, we’re gonna go visit an animal shelter to see if we can find a nice little kitty cat...
[welcome to the Katz Motel... I'm Katz. will you please sign in.]
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PART ONE [03:20]
Teil eins:
In which we see how the head is often clueless concerning what the heart knows, and what the heart wants...
and what it wants is: Swiss cheese???
🎶 Swiss folk music & cow bells 🎶
okay, just to remind you where we came from, here’s that last line from Episode 33:
Wie sie nun so gingen, da stand das Brüderchen oft still, und guckte nach ihrem Haüschen zurück.
Now as they went along, the little brother often stopped and looked back towards their little house.
and now the next line of the fairytale:
Der Vater sagte: was bleibst du immer stehn und guckst zurück; [...]
The father said: what do you keep dawdling and looking back at?
I’ve already answered that question for Hansel... and yeah, you and I already know the story, so we know why he’s dawdling...
it’s a ruse...
but what if looking back is meant as a figure of speech...?
that would mean thinking about the past... right?
[indeed]
as confident as he is, Hansel knows he may never see home again, so looking back would mean he’s already homesick...
we all know what homesickness is, but there’s way more to the IDEA of homesickness than I would’a thought... in fact, taking the time to look up stuff like this, stuff about which we’re sure we already know everything we need to know... that can lead to some real surprises...
sure, learning you’ve been clueless about something basic CAN be embarrassing... more often though, an unexpected revelation can be a serious pleasure... and goading us into that sort of pleasure is one of the aims of our fairytale author...
so in the realm of homesickness, our first surprise is Nostalgia, nostalgia, or: die Nostalgie
[ja, ja, it’s okay]
Nostalgia, as you and I know it, isn’t much more than a sentimental tug at the heartstrings... it’s a common enough feeling... reliably evoked by going through old family photos... or maybe by coming across that Dennis the Menace drinking cup you had as a kid...
[okay boomer]
okay, some kitchy old something you recognize from your childhood...
Minor factoid: nostalgia was a term coined in 1688 by Johannes Hofer...
TMI factoid: Nostalgie was a phenomenon he had carefully observed and written about in his medical school dissertation... because yes, Surprising factoid: it was considered a common, but serious medical condition consistent with a near-suicidal depression that sometimes led to unexplained fevers and even death...
[yikes!]
it was seen in plenty of displaced European workers, but, most famously, in Swiss mercenaries... you know, those crossbow carrying William Tell kinda guys, and probably even those fancy dress Swiss guards at the Vatican...
okay, Fun factoid: according to Jacques-Yves Cousteau... er, I mean Jean-Jacque Rousseau, all it took to make those guys want to go AWOL — or even turn catatonic — was hearing a few bars of their traditional alpine songs, or just the sound of alpine cowbells...
[guess what! I got a fever! and the only prescription is more cowbell]
[ahem]
🤓📕
nerd alert #1
The 1767 Dictionnaire de Musique by Jean-Jacques Rousseau claims that Swiss mercenaries were threatened with severe punishment to prevent them from singing their Swiss songs.
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if you’re interested, there’s a book called The Future of Nostalgia by Svetlana Boym... it’s from 2001, and in it she offers a brilliant, deep-dive into the subject...
[thanks]
no matter how deep we go into homesickness and nostalgia, they’re still familiar — and limited — terms that don’t give us any deep insights into Hansel’s behavior... there is however another, more subtle and nuanced term that’s worth considering:
[cioccolalalalalatahhh!]
uh no...
Sehnsucht...
[ja, ja, it’s okay]
yes, it’s a German word... and it’s the title of a poem by Schiller...
but if we’re going to understand how it fits into the fairytale we need a good explanation of it in English... to that end, the Wikipedia article on Sehnsucht is a muddle that seems to be written by people who have never experienced the real McCoy... and forget Schiller — because he’s a philosopher who thinks he’s a poet...
[OOH!]
whether or not he understood Sehnsucht, his poem — or at least the translation — is off the mark...
there’s even a poem by Goethe in which a guy is miserably cut off from his girlfriend... it makes Sehnsucht sound more like teen angst, and the suicidal depression of Nostalgie... which it definitely is not.
hey, there’s no despair or desperation in Sehnsucht...
🤓📕
nerd alert #2
there's another poem by Goethe that's much closer to the mark... and that may, in fact, be the very reason it's considered the most enigmatic of all his poems... and of course, the reason that academics have gone crazy trying to understand what Goethe was trying to say... it's called Selige Sehnsucht...
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If all we had were references like this, we’d think Sehnsucht was just some $20 — or 20€ — word for run-of-the-mill homesickness... but Hansel’s looking back is very important to understand... and Sehnsucht is key to that understanding...
at it’s deepest level Hansel’s looking back is symbolic of our soul’s longing for Henosis... something we’ve understood pretty much from the first episode of this podcast...
Henosis is the soul’s return to and union with the Source — a mystical sounding equivalent to heaven, except it’s something that’s available to us in this lifetime, and not just in some Christian afterlife...
and while Henosis is a fancy Greek word for an experience that Christianity claims to be presumptuous Gnostic heresy... calling Hansel’s longing Sehnsucht brings Henosis out of the clouds of religious abstraction and defies any and all dogmatic insistence on its impossibility...
so unless you’re worried about the Inquisition...
🎶 INQUISITION SPLASH 🎶
understanding Sehnsucht is worth our time and trouble...
despite its Wikipedia reputation as a synonym for the kind of schmaltzy romantic longing we’re all familiar with (and would prefer to keep reliably confined to Hollywood tear-jerkers and romance paperbacks), Sehnsucht carries the full weight of Henosis... which itself, is just an expensive word for an experience we’re all entitled to...
Sehnsucht isn’t homesickness... it isn’t nostalgia... and it certainly isn’t a wistful, longing for some impossible to reach some-one or some-thing, either from the past OR the future...
Sehnsucht is longing, yes, but a very specific type of longing that’s ALMOST impossible to put into words...
oddly enough, it was the popular culture section of the Wikipedia article led me to C.S. Lewis... and he’s the guy who put me on the right track...
in a sermon from 1941, Lewis said Sehnsucht is:
"...our lifelong nostalgia, our longing to be reunited with something in the universe from which we now feel cut off...."
🤓📕
nerd alert #3
that was a description from a sermon he gave on June 8, 1941 — which was later published as The Weight of Glory
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and while that line alone doesn’t distinguish it from nostalgia or even homesickness, his elaborations make it clear that Sehnsucht is consistent with a longing for Henosis — which we already know, is Hansel’s aim for himself and his sister... to return to the One — the House of the Father...
the crucial elaboration came in 1955 — 14 years after that sermon... Lewis published an autobiographical text he called Surprised by Joy — and in it he describes Sehnsucht as an intense longing for a transcendent something that itself is impossible to define... and then he gives Sehnsucht an English name...
[pizza!]
uh, no.
[ahem]
he doesn’t call it longing, he calls it Joy... he makes it clear that this Joy, this feeling, this Sehnsucht, is an unsatisfied longing that paradoxically, is an immensely satisfying pleasure to have, saying Joy is:
"...an unsatisfied desire which is itself more desirable than any other satisfaction."
and then he says:
"...anyone who HAS experienced it will want it again."
so if the descriptions I’ve shared with you here are confusing, or just don’t resonate... that’s on me, because I’m willing to bet that you have, indeed, experienced Sehnsucht... because it’s the experience itself that’s important, not how anyone has tried — and failed — to describe or define it...
reading C.S. Lewis was an AHA! moment for me... because his description came close to fitting an experience I’m familiar with...
so the way I would describe Sehnsucht begins with the experience of feeling, or rather, being moved...
we all know what that feels like... but I’m not talking about the politely educated sensation of feeling grateful for some unbidden favor or selfless gesture by a stranger or friend...as in: "I was deeply moved by your kindness."
it’s a feeling that’s half physical and half emotional... it’s a feeling of being transported... and as such is probably a memory from infancy... as if being carried in someone’s arms and, well...being loved.
just as C.S. Lewis said, we crave the feeling, but we often seek it in places that offer only a pale imitation. Like the tear-jerker. And maybe we cry in tear-jerkers just like we did in infancy — as a reasonably sure-fire way to invite the feeling... that feeling of being comforted and cared for...
Sehnsucht is a taste of that feeling of being loved and lovable... WITHOUT needing anyone to supply it for us.
Sehnsucht is a feeling of being within love...
personally, I could say Sehnsucht is something that comes to me only occasionally, and when it does come it’s always so intense and so hopeful, I never want it to end... but it always does, and very quickly...
and the intense, but fleeting pleasure, is how I recognized my own experience in what C.S. Lewis had written...
but there’s still something else to Sehnsucht... a dimension that C.S. Lewis didn’t mention...
it’s a feeling of being so moved, it feels as if your heart is breaking... not breaking bad, though... breaking open... and that’s crucial...
knowing from experience that the feeling is centered around the heart allowed me to recognize Sehnsucht in something that Jung had written and spoken about many times... all in relation to his explanation of the Atman or the Purusha...
in his explanation of the 4th Chakra, he speaks of it as an experience of the Atman or the Purusha... and being that the 4th Chakra is centered in the heart, I could take his word that the intense feeling of having my heart breaking open had everything to do with whatever an Atman or Purusha is supposed to be...
so up until learning about Sehnsucht from C.S. Lewis I just called my own experience of feeling intensely moved a 4th Chakra experience...
and please, as in all of the business surrounding Chakras, we’re talking about recognizable experiences, not woo woo, New Age abstractions...
In Man and His Symbols Jung writes:
"According to Hindu tradition...(the Cosmic Man) is something that lives within the individual human being and is the only part that is immortal. This inner Great Man redeems the individual by leading him out of creation and its sufferings, back into his original eternal sphere."
which is, of course, another way of saying Henosis... and then Jung says:
"But he can do this only if man recognizes him...."
what Jung is saying is based on the fact that this Cosmic Person / Inner Great Person is known in the Upanishads as both the Atman and the Purusha... although, in this article of Man and His Symbols he only mentions the Purusha, and he specifically says:
"In the symbolic myths of India, this figure is known as the Purusha."
the obvious question then is: how the fuck are we supposed to recognize this character...???
well, after years of reading Jung I can tell you for sure that what he means is, we have to be able to recognize an experience we’ve already had, and are familiar with, and be open to connecting that experience to an explanation we’ve never heard before... but an explanation that resonates with us as Truth...
so when Jung said:
"The Purusha lives within the heart of every individual, and yet at the same time he fills the entire cosmos."
I was able to connect that feeling of having my heart break open with the Purusha, and understand it as an experience of the 4th Chakra...
and now, combining the descriptions of C.S. Lewis and Carl Jung with my own experience — I can understand Jung’s description of the Purusha as Henosis, and the longing for it, as Sehnsucht... which to me means recognizing Sehnsucht as a 4th Chakra experience...
yeah, I know, that’s an awful lot of words... and words alone can’t give you the experience... but again, I’m willing to bet you’ve had that experience of feeling intensely moved some time in your life... and maybe this combination of Jung, and C.S. Lewis, and Hansel and Gretel can give you a way to recognize it as something much more profound and cosmic than you may have ever realized...
Finally, there’s something else in C.S. Lewis that relates to Hansel’s looking back, but only in the funniest of reversals...
In the preface of Surprised by Joy he says:
"This book is written in answer to requests that I would tell how I passed from Atheism to Christianity."
and
"...the book aims at telling the story of my conversion."
of course, conversion just happens to be the theme of this very step — albeit / ironically in reverse... that is from Christianity back to the pre-christian, Germanic culture... back to their more primal, Intuitive connection to what they’ve always known as sacred and holy...
with that, I’ll leave C.S. Lewis in peace with his religious preferences, because I suspect that his typology required a religious conversion to Christianity for him to find, recognize, and contain his Intuition...
as far as the Grimms’ revisions go, there’s plenty to say — and it’s all delightfully meaningful — especially since Wilhelm takes us by the hand to make sure we don’t miss the symbolism within the figure of speech of looking back...
then again, I made a promise to move things along and so having chewed your ear off about Sehnsucht, let’s just leave Wilhelm’s info for the book this podcast was supposed to be...
[good idea]
🤓📕
nerd alert #4
just so you know... here's Wilhelm's final revision (which, BTW, was only slightly tweaked from his first, 1812 revision of the manuscript)
Der Vater sprach „Hänsel, was guckst du da und bleibst zurück, hab Acht und vergiß deine Beine nicht.“
His father said, "Hansel, what art thou looking at there and staying behind for? Mind what thou art about, and do not forget how to use thy legs."
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PART TWO [23:43]
Teil zwei:
In which Hansel tells a little white lie, we go scouring the internet in search of the truth, and all we can find is some long-winded, papal bull.sh... er, I mean declaration
[sound of cows mooing]
[I gotta have more cowbell]
so, moving right along... here’s what happens next:
[...] ach, antwortete das Brüderchen, ich seh nach meinem weißen Kätzchen, das sitzt auf dem Dach und will mir Ade sagen heimlich ließ es aber immer einen von den weißen Kieselsteinchen fallen.
[...] "Oh," answered the little brother, "I'm looking at my little white cat who's sitting on the roof and wants to say goodbye to me." Secretly, however, he would always let one of the little white pebbles fall.
Whatever is sitting on a roof (assuming it’s not a flat roof, of course) is pretty much visible for all the world to see, and so what could a white cat represent?
a sign of virtue... like a white Masonic apron on the hoof, so-to-speak...?
an odd allusion to the Holy Ghost? hey, a white pigeon appears later on in the story, so why not?
we already know that white is the color of the Moon and the color of Hansel’s silvery pebbles, so there must be some connection there... except all of this is just grasping at straws...
the one thing we know for sure, Hansel is offering up a little white lie... and as a fairytale lesson for children — which this story isn’t meant to be — it’s still pretty shrewd...
little fibs like this often prove to be advantageous, since they’re exactly what logic expects (and maybe even prefers) to hear — especially in a case like this... and what I mean is, when dealing with a narcissist in power — whether it’s a narcissist parent or a narcissist boss — pretending to go along with the program is extremely practical and VERY intelligent!
for Hansel, telling the truth would mean tipping his hand, and admitting that he and his sister know they’re being taken for a ride...
an admission like that could only end badly. so Hansel lies to his parents, just as they’ve lied to him.
still, of all the possible excuses for looking back, why did Hansel choose a cat...?
[I dunno]
well, neither did I... and 10 years ago, looking as deeply as I possibly could into the symbolism of cats, I found plenty of websites claiming all sorts of fanciful connections between cats and witchcraft and heresy... but almost nothing I found was backed up by referencing bona-fide sources...
for example, one of the first things I came across was the intriguing idea of Felidomacy or Ailuromancy, meaning a form of divination based on observing the movements of cats... and knowing that all forms of divination amount to an Intuitive practice, any connection between Hansel’s cat watching and this form of divination sounds enticing, but leads us nowhere...
fact is, divination by observing the movements of animals is known as Theriomancy, so why mention a cat specifically, and not some other animal, like a bird, for instance...?
[I don't know!]
being that there are plenty of cat lovers in this world, cat lore is super-easy to come by, but it’s mostly just copied and pasted all across the internet without any reference to original sources...
somewhere along the line though, I found a website claiming:
"In the early thirteenth century Pope Gregory IX (1145–1241) declared that a sect in southern France had been caught worshipping the devil. He claimed the devil had appeared in the form of a black cat."
now I do like me some papal bull... especially since there’s a good chance of tracking down the original Latin... hell, there’s even a sporting chance of finding a good, accurate translation outside of google translate...
turns out, Gregory’s declaration wasn’t an official bull, and it didn’t mention Southern France... it was an angry letter copied to 4 different bigwigs in Germany complaining about devil worship there... and it authorized a crusade to stamp it out...
in fact it promised an abundant outpouring of grace to everyone who joined in and lent their sword to the enterprise...
😈 💬 👺
time for a mildly gratuitous aside:
apparently, Gregory was big into domestic Crusades
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the letter is known to history as Vox in Rama...
having found the Latin original on line — AND a decent English translation — I can tell you it barely mentions cats at all, but it does indeed mention a black cat...
so connecting Gregory’s black cat to this line of the fairytale is an awful stretch...
even so, the main letter is hilarious as unintentionally gratuitous comedy material because the pope goes on and on, histrionically complaining about the pain this devil worship is causing him... pain that he describes literally, as if he were a woman in labor...
"Ventrem meum doleo, ventrem meum doleo...!"
"my belly hurts, my belly hurts"
he pushes the obstetric similes so far that I gotta tell you, as an obstetrician, I found that part both hilarious and ridiculous...
so, once the pope gets outta Labor and Delivery he starts to dish some titillating x-rated gossip... he describes the orgiastic sex and bestiality (ad fetidissimum opus luxuriae) attending the clandestine rites of certain German converts...
accurate or not — considering the fact that his descriptions are based on the reports of a German Inquisitor — these converts must have found themselves dissatisfied and disappointed with the anemic, syncretic concessions offered by the Vatican missionaries...
As entertaining as all this was, I was getting pretty frustrated, both by the abundance of titillating internet innuendo and the lack of anything substantive... I figured I was missing something fairly obvious, since Wilhelm Grimm chose not change this line in any way... which meant, as I said in the last episode, that he didn’t find the clues to the symbolism too subtle to require any extra hints...
so whaddya know...? I finally did figure out exactly why Hansel gave his father all that malarkey about a white cat...
turns out, he wasn’t lying...!!!
[welcome to Club Katz. I'm Katz, your host.]
In our next episode:
[Human Sacrifice. Dogs and Cats living together. Mass Hysteria!]
I’ll see you then...
in the meantime, you know where to find me...
[visit us on the web @]
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and yeah, if any of this resonates with you, let me know, or let a friend know... who knows, maybe together, we can make a difference in how the Culture views and treats Intuition...
[I gotta have more cowbell!]
alrighty then... ciao a tutti...
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