In Episode 041 the Grimm brothers challenge Goldfinger to a high stakes game of dominos. nobody wins but somebody orders a pineapple pizza and history starts repeating itself. Dominos fall, Richie Havens sings, and the Grimm boys show their true color(s)
Part 1 [03:51] - In which we quote some experts, and boldly go where none of them have gone before
Part 2 [08:17] - In which we start counting dominos, while the Grimms become migrant workers and ex-pats
Part 3 [20:53] - In which we name a few more falling dominos, and make a necessary political comparison because history just keeps repeating itself
Part 4 [33:23] - In which we watch the final seven dominos fall and, after a leak, see them go viral
Part 5 [41:29] - In which we find the brothers locked into an epic battle with a Bond villain, armed only with a feather pen and invisible ink
[Sick of dieting? Studies have found that listening to this podcast instantly puts your body into fat-burning mode]
[now well that sounds like Grade A bullshit]
well, for once, I’d have to agree with you there, buddy...
[the following presentation is intended only for immature audiences]
[I’m outta here]
[wait, where are you going? I was going to make espresso]
🎶 Anachronist 🎶
hi there youse guys... Welcome back to the Hansel and Gretel Code... This here is episode 41...
[it’s really good to see you. well, and with all this, I thought I was in the wrong place]
In our last episode we pretty much finished our exploration of that silly tree branch contraption, and figured out that it represented an enormous melange of historic facts ranging from the American Revolution, through the French Revolution, the Napoleonic Wars, and Napoleon’s final defeat in 1814...
it also referenced 2 or three Treaties of Paris, the Congress of Vienna, and the famous Wartburgfest of 1817 — the eventual outcome of which became the Carlsbad edicts, a set of harsh and repressive laws authored by Prince Metternich of Austria — that old-world J.Edgar Hoover / Steve Bannon character working on behalf of his masters, the reactionary monarchs of Europe and Russia...
we also realized that the Grimms tried to cram every last one of those facts, including a satiric poke at the King of Prussia...
[and 2 hard boiled eggs]
[honk — make that 3 hard boiled eggs]
uh yeah, they shoved all that and more into their tree branch contraption... turning it into a ridiculously complicated mess of a metaphor... and believe me, it wasn’t messy because the facts were so complicated... it’s because the Grimm Brothers were no Marx Brothers... turns out, they weren’t great literary artists either...
I mean it took a master like Tolstoy 6 years and 1200 handwritten pages to organize the Russian side of those same facts into a narrative that many people consider the greatest novel ever written...
of course plenty of people consider War and Peace to be the Mt. Everest of novels, and reading it to be a near impossible feat... but now we know... it helps to have a grasp of all those historic facts for yourself before you dare to crack open that beast of a book...
but I digress...
[please, don’t do that]
well, moving right along, in these next 2 episodes we’re going to answer a question that most, if not all academics consider moot... and that question is:
[Why a duck? Why-a no chicken?]
yeah... well, that’s 2 questions... but our question is: why a stepmother?
[it doesn’t matter, the question is moot]
*🎶*🎶*
PART 1 [03:51]
Teil eins: In which we quote some experts, and boldly go where none of them have gone before
♪ Star Trek intro note ♪ [Philology, the final frontier]
[OMG]
so, most academics and Grimm scholars subscribe to the notion that the Grimms changed Frau Holzhacker into a step-mother out of some combination of their innate reverence for motherhood, their concern for the sensibility of tender-aged readers, and a pragmatic wish to sell more copies of their collection to the genteel, Biedermeier public...
[naturally]
fer instance: in the Introduction to his translation of the Grimms’ 1812 first edition, Jack Zipes, one of the foremost American Grimms scholars specifically says that the wicked stepmother in “Hansel and Gretel” is actually a biological mother, and this character was changed into a stepmother “clearly because the Grimms held motherhood sacred.”
[most assuredly]
in an excellent Grimms biography published just last year, (2024) one of the most astute of all Grimm scholars, Professor Ann Schmiesing of the University of Colorado echoed that sentiment saying:
“a notable edit appears in “Hansel and Gretel,” in which the mother is now referred to as the children’s stepmother instead of their biological parent. In accordance with idealized bourgeois norms, Wilhelm (that is to say, Wilhelm Grimm) thus implicitly suggested from the fourth edition on that a biological mother could not possibly abandon her children.”
[unquestionably]
right, this all makes perfect, logical sense... and up to now has counted as the universally accepted — and most likely, if not only, possible — explanation...
[the question is moot]
[precisely]
I mention these learned opinions not to disparage them... but to remind ourselves that we are fairytale pioneers... in probably the last 150 years, nobody has looked as deeply into the philologic details of Hansel and Gretel as we have — you and me...
and that’s exactly how and why we’re going to expose the truth behind this business of changing Hansel and Gretel’s mother into their stepmother... something that only the Grimms’ contemporaries and closest friends would have guessed at or known...
[if you say so]
so I can’t say we’re gonna
[boldly go where no man has gone before / swoosh]
uh yeah, what he said...
but by the end of these next 2 episodes we will have arrived at a very different conclusion from the one reached by all those academics...
and no, we’re not challenging the plausibility of that long-held academic conclusion... we’re correcting it... once and for all... something we could only do by reading all the obvious clues that Wilhelm Grimm deliberately inserted in between the lines of the original story...
[fascinating]
for whatever reason, nobody has picked up on all the metalepses, gotten all the inside jokes or realized the true satiric nature of this fairytale... not since the late 19th century...
[excuse me?]
I believe that people once did get the jokes and enjoyed the satire...
[really?]
yeah... I also believe it’s about time more of us moderns did...
[oh yeah]
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PART 2 [08:17]
Teil zwei: In which we start counting dominos, while the Grimms become migrant workers and ex-pats
[Dominos, in particular was having a hard time fulfilling these roles that are not super high paying and are pretty strenuous to work]
alrighty, getting to the bottom of this step-mother switcheroo means, we gotta dig into the history, not just of the story, but of the time in which the Grimms collected, edited and published it — the Grimms’ Zeitgeist...
[oh no, not again]
yeah I know, we did a whole lot of that in the last 2 episodes... but this time the focus isn’t on Fritzi-Willi, the wishy-washy King of Prussia or his opposite, Turnvater Jahn, the hale and hearty gymnast and Prussian patriot...
this time there’s somebody else in the Grimms’ cross-hairs... although once again, the target of their satire and ridicule is slightly out of focus and includes more than one person... which means it’s gonna take us 2 episodes to finally hit the bulls-eye...
[alright already, get on with it]
as we know, Wilhelm Grimm — who apparently did most, if not all the editing after the first edition — killed off Hansel and Gretel’s biological mother, and turned Frau Holzhacker into their step-mother in the 4th edition in 1840...
so between their second edition in 1819 and 1840, when this step mother edition came out, we’re talking 21 years...
[oh no]
fortunately, we get to skip the first 10 of those 21 years because nothing the Grimms were going through at the time shows up in Hansel and Gretel...
[oh, good]
but then in 1829,
[the worm has definitely turned, man]
yup, that’s when the first of many historic dominos began falling...
this first domino wouldn’t just change the story of our little brother and little sister, it would change the story of the Grimm brothers themselves...
[oh brother]
in 1829 the Grimms were in their mid forties... yuppie librarians with law degrees, living and working in their beloved home town of Cassel, in the Germanic state of Hesse, which was otherwise known as the Electorate of Hesse or Kurfürstentum Hessen...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electorate_of_Hesse
[try again]
Kurfürstentum Hessen
[ja, ja, it’s okay]
uh, thank you...
all of that Electorate business is interesting because it was an obsolete holdover from the Holy Roman Empire — which had long been eliminated by Napoleon... but it’s one helluva busy subject that we don’t need to elaborate on...
[oh, thanks]
anyway, most if not all of us Americans know at least something about Hesse — or Hessen, right?
[what?]
plenty of us Boomers remember it from grammar school history class...
[okay, boomer]
of course we learned about Hesse — in a completely backhand, american-centric way — because it was famous for one of it’s leading exports... you know, those mercenaries who fought on the side of the redcoats way back when...
[I remember]
I’ll bet you do...
well, in 1829, the monarch of Hessen, otherwise known as the Kurfürst — or Elector — was Wilhelm II der Zweiter... William the second...
this, uh, royal Wilhelm was the brother-in-law of our wishy-washy king of Prussia, Fritzi-Willi... the guy we spoke about in Episode 40...
[I remember]
uh, right... but that’s not why he’s important for us to know about...
[why then?]
because Wilhelm II was a serious womanizer,
[I like that!]
[seriously?]
well, that’s not the only reason, but it’s still important... and this Wilhelm... he was a super conservative ruler who lived in Cassel, and kept the Grimms in his employ as librarians...
[yeah, so what?]
key to this whole business is that according to various Grimm biographies, he had zero interest in their growing reputation, and even less interest in their personal, scholarly work... if anything, he was annoyed by them because they were very friendly with his wife and disapproved of his mistress...
[it’s all complicated]
more to the point, they, in turn, were annoyed by him... all of which had the first major domino teetering — and for a number of years...
[yeah?]
this first domino finally fell in 1829, when feeling disrespected, the Grimms resigned from Wilhelm the Elector’s employment in a something of a snit...
[show respect, y’all. show some respect please]
fortunately for the sake of their financials, they were soon offered a gig at the University of Göttingen...
[oh very nice. much better]
and so at the very end of 1829, they left their beloved home town of Cassel — and crossed the Hessian border... of course, once they entered the neighboring kingdom of Hanover, they became in effect, migrant workers, er I mean ex-pats...
[hmmm]
arriving in Göttingen, they once again worked as librarians, but were also expected to teach, and thus became university professors... thing is, they apparently hated every minute of their lecturing duties...
[why?]
well, maybe it had nothing to do with the fact that professors were actually considered of lower social rank than librarians... but anything that took them away from their quiet philologic research — whether it was the requisite socializing, the teaching, or even their mundane library duties — these were all unwelcome interruptions that annoyed them both, but seem to have bothered the more introverted Jacob, in particular...
[oooh]
it’s also important for us to know that in 1829, the city of Göttingen was in the Kingdom of Hanover because, at the time, Hanover was ruled by the King of England, George IV...
[that is correct]
right... of course, with the King having bigger fish to fry back in London, he didn’t spend much time in Germany, which is why he had the Duke of Cambridge, one of his many little brothers minding the store for him back in Hanover...
this brother’s name was
[Voldemort]
uh no... it was Adolphus, Prince Adolphus...
[who cares]
well, it’s true, we didn’t really need to mention Adolphus, who was described by one historian as an amiable prince who “did nothing in particular, and did it very well.”
[oh that’s funny]
we especially need to mention King George IV because back in 1819 — while acting as Regent for his father, George III, the king who famously suffered lengthy bouts of insanity — he did his Continental duty and gave Hanover
[pizza!]
[and the world’s most controversial topping: pineapple, for all those pineapple pizza lovers]
[oh god! oh jesus!]
oh man... uh no... he gave them a constitution...
[much better!]
this was in compliance with Article 13 of the Final Act of the Congress of Vienna... that vaguely worded directive calling for a constitution in every German state... you remember all that from episode 40... right?
[I remember]
[excellent, Mr. Renfield, excellent]
uh, yeah... what he said, uh, I guess...
thing is, George didn’t give up any of his power in Hanover, but this very conservative monarchal constitution he signed was at least a baby step on the way towards giving his German taxpayers some representation in government...
[applause]
as I just said, that was in 1819... 11 years later, in June of 1830 — which was just 6 months after the Grimms first arrived in Göttingen — George IV passed, and was succeeded, both as King of England and King of Hanover, by another one of his little brothers...
[Harry Potter]
uh no, it was William IV...
so that was in June 1830... in July 1830, just one month later, the pesky forces of liberalism erupted once more as
🎶 Volunteers of America 🎶
no, we’re talking about Europe here, but in particular we talking France...
[oui, oui]
yeah, and the eruption in question was known as the Second French Revolution or the 3 Glorious Days: Les Trois Glorieuses -
[ooh la la]
it did indeed last a mere 3 days, still, it led to serious revolution envy in Germany...
[I want it I want it I want it!!!]
[oh dear, that’s rather alarming]
and, well, that’s all it was... envy...
[Scheise! Scheise!]
well, given that Metternich’s repressive elements remained in full force all around the Continent, tantrums were pretty much non-existent as Germans everywhere kept their envy in check, and none of them dared step outta line... but then, whaddya know, after 2 full years of toeing that line, German liberal ferment didn’t exactly erupt... let’s just say it just kinda bubbled up and went uh...
🍾
[what happened?]
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PART 3 [20:53]
Teil drei: In which we name a few more falling dominos and make a necessary political comparison because history just keeps repeating itself
[yes, I’m well aware of that. I’m fixing that]
[number 9, number 9, number 9]
in May of 1832, instead of 3 glorious days of revolution, there were 3 famously heady days of um, speech and music at a castle located in the decidedly conservative Kingdom of Bavaria... the event was known as das Hambacherfest...
[your German pronunciation must be much better]
yeah, yeah... I get it... let’s just move along here... okay?
in some respects, this Hambacher festival was a near replica of the 1817 Wartburgfest — albeit without the theatrical book burning... you remember all that from episode 40, right...?
[no!]
yeah, well, uh, what can I say...?
so you gotta figure, with something like 20,000 to 30,000 people peacefully attending, this Hambacherfest might even have resembled uh:
🎶 long time coming 🎶
you know, Woodstock...
[yes, I know]
[you can’t be serious]
of course they didn’t have amps or mics or electric guitars... but they sure did produce some heavy-duty fucken’ feedback...
🎶 Hendrix 🎶
[OMG]
having the same liberal aims as the Wartburgfest,
🎶 freedom, freedom, freedom, freedom 🎶
this festival had a pretty similar outcome to Wartburg...
[vinyl record screetch]
[oh no]
yeah, ‘fraid so... and this time, Metternich and his ultra-conservative buddies didn’t even bother looking for glory holes..., er, I mean meeting at the bath house in Carlsbad...
[OOOH!]
they just doubled down on those earlier, repressive Carlsbad decrees...
[booing]
we had to mention this German Woodstock festival because the spirit of liberal reform was bubbling up everywhere,
[boiling / bubbling]
[witch laugh]
[wokeness is trouble]
[Double, double toil and trouble]
[wokeness is bad]
[Fire burn, and cauldron bubble]
[bad things are gonna happen] safest border
[Argidurgadurg]
apparently, even the Brits came within an ace of outright revolution...
[are you kidding me?]
hey, that’s how wikipedia put it...
[yes sir!]
all those falling dominos bring us to 1833, when, in the spirit of trying to keep the German riffraff (das Lumpengesindel) from rocking the royal boat any worse than they rocked it in Merrie Olde England... Good King William IV tried getting ahead of the problem by proactively replacing the conservative Hanover Constitution of 1819 with a slightly more liberal one...
[yay!]
and whaddya know... for the next 4 years, things went more or less swimmingly in the prosperous Kingdom of Hanover...
[oh very nice]
in its famous University town of Göttingen, we find the Brothers Grimm were happily whistling while they worked away on their grammar books and philologic researches — and of course, grudgingly, on their lecture notes —
[grumbling voices]
and well, a dragon lives forever, but not a somewhat progressive, and vaguely popular little King... on the very last day of Spring in 1837, another major domino fell when William IV passed away...
[awww]
and while good King William had a plethora of offspring from his baby mama, a famous Irish actress known as Mrs. Jordan, none of them were eligible to take the throne in England... and so it was his little niece Victoria who succeeded him...
[that’s nice]
yeah but she could only be queen in the UK, and not in Hanover...
[how come?]
an ancient and famously sexist law of European royalty said no way could a woman be king (or Queen) of Hanover...
[son of a bitch!]
yeah, it’s called Salic law and according to the typically arcane scheme of royal succession, the kingship of Hanover was handed over to William’s little brother and Victoria’s strange Uncle: Ernest
[Hey, Vern. look what I found in my daddy’s closet]
uh, not that Ernest... this one was Ernest Augustus, otherwise known as König Ernst August or more famously, the Damnable Duke of Cumberland...
[what?]
see, unlike Ernest P. Worrell, this Ernest was one cranky mf, er I mean, rubbed a lot of people the wrong way...
[oh my]
by most accounts he was apparently similar in temperament to his notorious namesake descendant born about 5 generations later in 1954... the noble gentleman known in German tabloids as der Pinkel Prinz... or the Prince and the Pee... and that’s pee as in pee-pee...
[I believe peeing is a free action]
I’ll leave a link
[you’re disgusting]
Not unlike our own king, er, I mean president, 45 / 47, the Grimms’ Ernest Augustus was someone who enjoyed being the alpha dog in whatever room he entered... at least in Germany... and this actually checked one of the boxes on the Grimms’ score card for rulers... because, they did in fact prefer monarchy to democracy, and they liked their monarchs to be what was recently referred to in Chicago coaching circles as
[a leader of men]
[love me a good leader of men. I don’t wanna hear it any more. every time I hear it I wanna bounce my skull off a urinal]
[ahem]
well, in the Kingdom of Hanover, Ernest may have been a
[leader of men]
back in the UK, though, he was just another royal... albeit one with a reputation...
[oh yeah, like what?]
according to one contemporary British historian and apologist he
“...was widely supposed to have murdered his valet, to have raped Lady Lyndhurst, to have driven Lord Graves to suicide and to have committed incest with one of his sisters. Indeed, to most Victorian and many later historians....” he was famously loathed and loathsome...
Anthony Bird - The Damnable Duke of Cumberland
[and I suppose you think that’s funny, huh]
hey, just sayin’
One 19th century German historian reports that according to a radical English tabloid:
“With the sole exception of suicide, the Duke of Cumberland has committed every crime imaginable...”
[oh that’s funny]
Yeah, this is a great, witty quote... but it’s definitely a bummer when authors reporting juicy quotes like this don’t include a verifiable source... and it bothers me because that’s when my Virgoan nature forces me to go off looking for one...
which is what happened here... given the vagueness of the clue — “a radical English tabloid” — this was like searching for the source of the Nile... not necessarily a waste of time, but given the limitations of every independent researcher’s best friend — archive.org — it was doomed to failure...
[damn!]
the closest thing to a bona fide source that archive.org was able to serve up is the hearsay testimony of a certain REV. C. ALLIX WILKINSON who happened to be Ernie’s court jester, er I mean court chaplain in Hanover... In his lengthy book of sycophantic reminisces, the good reverend wrote:
“I myself heard the king say...that he had been accused of every crime in the (Ten Commandments) but he was thankful...that (the voice of the people) was not always (the voice of God).”
[boring!]
okay, not much context there, except the people who now defend his personality in print only seem to reinforce an impression of him as not unlike a certain contemporary politician...
[he worked harder than Kamala Harris and Joe Biden and he delivered a message that resonated with the American people]
[it really, really, fucking sucks]
yeah well, half of us Americans feel that way, and the other half of us don’t...
anyway, I think it’s important for us to make that fraught comparison here and now, because it gives us a clearer and more contemporary picture of who, how, and what Ernst August was really like...
hell, as Giambattista Vico — an 18th century godfather of this fairytale — and of Joyce’s Finnegan’s Wake — tells us — history certainly repeats itself...
history certainly repeats itself...
[I heard you the first time]
among his contemporaries and constituents, Ernst August probably inspired the very same sort of firm and opposing views everyone of us hold regarding... you know...
[yes, I know]
it also seems that the Grimm brothers, despite being mere ex-pat residents in his kingdom, and publicly professing a certain degree of political agnosticism... were no exception...
fact is, as politically conservative as they were, I’d be willing to bet they would have chosen to be MAGA men... and — as we shall soon see — more in the mold of a Mike Pence than a J.D. Vance...
[that is fine. please move on]
*🎶*🎶*
PART 4 [33:23]
Teil vier: In which we watch the final seven dominos fall and, after a leak, see them go viral
[nobody was texting war plans. and that’s all I have to say about that. thank you]
Okay, let’s get back to the facts...
now that we’ve reached 1837, just 3 years before the stepmother switcheroo, a key domino fell when Ernest — usually referred to as EA in the Grimms’ correspondence — decided that the Hanover constitution his older brother had signed back in 1833 was much too liberal — and cramped his style...
[oh really?]
finding out exactly what “too liberal” meant took some Virgoan digging, although it wasn’t hard to guess: turns out this liberal constitution had 8 chapters and 166 provisions... and of course, what bugged Ernie the most had to have been all 26 provisions of Chapter 7... aptly titled:
[it's the economy, stupid]
not literally, but close enough... it reads: Siebentes Capitel: Von den Finanzen... in other words: the financials...
[wow, that’s a surprise]
this Chapter 7 laid out all the rules for how the money in the Hanover treasury was supposed to be spent and accounted for...
instead of the King deciding how much of the treasury should end up in his own pocket... this liberal constitution put him and the kingdom on a budget... a budget that had to be approved by representatives of the people — and by people it meant
[a bunch of riffraff]
it meant the peasants as well as the nobles...
[disgust - well then]
in a decidedly modern democratic spirit, the king was forced to document his required budgetary compliance and submit something like a 1040 each year to those same representative fiduciaries...
[but that is not all]
one thing this constitution made abundantly clear was that true to the financially conservative, savings-conscious druthers of most Germans... Ernest had to make regular payments on the debts of the kingdom before he could get his allowance...
[holy shit!]
paragraph 124 specifically stated (in German, of course):
§ 124. The income of the entire crown property should be used without exception for the good of the country, first of all to pay the interest on its debts, and then gradually to pay off those debts.
§ 124. Die Aufkünfte des gesammten Kronguts sollen ohne Ausnahme zum Besten des Landes verwandt werden, und zwar zunächst zur Bezahlung der Zinsen der auf dem Domanio haftenden Schulden und zum allmähligen Abtrage der Passivcapitalien;
and you gotta believe those debts would have included money borrowed to pay for every single one of those big fucking wars fought in the previous 80 years... including, of course, that one major albatross of a bill for the biggest of all big ticket items, the 7 Years War (of 1756)...
[maybe]
the upshot of all these historic financial dominos is that Ernie did what any red-blooded taxpayer of significant financial means would dearly love to do...
[should I go get high right now?]
well, that’s up to you...
what Ernst did was to declare the liberal constitution null and void... and in its place he re-instated the nicely conservative one from 1819... in effect, that not only eliminated any and all representation of the peasantry in government, it also uh, by the way uh, just left him in complete control of the kingdom’s financials...
[...the courts are ruling that you have the authority to determine how the money of this country will be spent....]
[can you believe that?]
hey, he was the king, after all...
[oh absolutely]
so historically, that shoulda been that...
[of course]
except the plot thickened...
[oh no]
according to normal precedent all the king’s horses and all the king’s men had to bow and scrape and kiss his, er I mean pledge an oath of allegiance to him and his new-old constitution — or else...
[“Is it your view of your authority that you have the power to call up any one of or all of the people seated at this table and issue orders that they’re bound to follow?” “Oh, yeah. They’ll follow the orders. yes they will.”]
and so everyone in the entire kingdom did what was asked...
[“No exceptions?” “Of course, no exceptions.”]
well, all except for
[these people sitting right here will not not clap will not stand and certainly will not cheer for these astronomical achievements they won't do it no matter what]
well, I don’t know if they were all sitting, but the people in question were 7 professors at the University of Göttingen — the famous Göttinger Sieben / Göttingen Seven, 2 of whom were Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm...
[wait a second!]
these 7 professors signed on to a document saying that with all due respect having already sworn allegiance to Good King William’s 1833 constitution they couldn’t in all good conscience un-swear to it... besides, they wrote, they were only demonstrating to their students, the value of giving your word and keeping it...
[ciocolalalalta!]
uh, that’s not exactly a word...
[OMG]
letting the king know they were all on the same page was one thing... but the shit hit the fan when that very same page ended up being leaked — and going viral... news of the rebellious protest was reported almost immediately as far away as Paris...
[ooh la la]
before long their formal, written protest was published in newspapers all across Germany, and was the talk of almost every town... even today, the story of die Göttinger Sieben is enthusiastically told and retold all over the Internet... and while the facts involved make for interesting historic speculation... all we need to know is that EA told the 7:
[you’re fired. get outta here]
[argidurgadurg]
he was so pissed off he had 3 of them deported...
[we’re getting them out, and, we have the safest border, the most secure border we’ve ever had]
[ahem]
um, these were 3 guys out of the 7 who admitted to having leaked the original letter of protest... one of the three was Jacob Grimm...
[what’s German for blabbermouth?]
*🎶*🎶*
PART 5 [41:29]
Teil fünf: In which we find the brothers locked into an epic battle with a Bond villain and armed only with a feather pen and invisible ink
[now 007, do please try and return some of this equipment in pristine order]
I gotta say, despite putting their argument in writing... nobody knows for sure what was in their heart of hearts...
sure they kept insisting both in private letters and in various commercial publications... they had no political agenda whatsoever... and that by refusing to bow to EA’s demand, they were only being true to their conscience...
[fer sure]
between you, me and the lamp post, it’s hard to know if they were being naïve, ingenuous, or even disingenuous...
[no way!]
well, given the zeitgeist now known as the Vormärz... the time leading up to March of 1848 when all sorts of violent revolutions broke out across Europe... it didn’t really matter... the forces of liberalism seized upon this Göttingen incident as a cause célèbre...
[woo hoo]
it was one thing for liberal students to protest, but the idea of big shot intellectuals politely giving the king the finger, well that soon captured the popular imagination, and regardless of anything those professors said or wrote, the protest was widely interpreted as a brave act of rebellion against monarchy, and the legally sanctioned caprices of nobility...
[yes, yes, I can see that]
you take all that political buzz and throw in their growing celebrity as authors, the Grimms were soon canonized as models of and martyrs for liberalism throughout Germany...
and I say models, literally, because it was reported (by Wilhelm Grimm) that Jacob Grimm and the exuberant crowd of students that accompanied him across the border on the day of his deportation soon turned up as action figures made out of lead and painted — you know, just like toy soldiers — and were sold in stores...
♍️
gratuitous Virgoan aside:
letter from Wilhelm Grimm to Friedrich Dahlmann / April 20th 1838
„Dieser Witzenhauser Einzug ist hier in Blei gegossen als Kinderspielzeug zu haben, aber Kinder, die damit spielen, verlieren die Ansprüche auf eine demnächstige Anstellung im Staatsdienst. In dem Wagen, den die Studenten ziehen, sitzt Dahlmann Jacob und Gervinus, und das Bürgermilitair präsentiert das Gewehr. Jacob lüftet den Hut, und sieht sehr jugendlich aus mit glänzend rothen Backen.❝
“This Witzenhausen procession is available here in lead as a children's toy, but children who play with it lose their right to a future job in the civil service. Dahlmann, Jacob and Gervinus are sitting in the carriage pulled by the students, and the citizen's militia presents their rifles. Jacob lifts his hat and looks very youthful with shiny red cheeks.”
♍️ ♍️ ♍️
[this is so fun!]
despite all the liberal hype, the truth of the matter seems to be that the Grimms were almost as conservative as EA himself...
[you’re kidding, right]
in one of his more telling letters, Jacob not only claimed that his protest was strictly a matter of conscience, he specifically said he found "all modern liberalism repulsive”
[what?]
and yes, it took some doing, but we’ve got a source for that...
„...daß mir aller moderner Liberalismus von Grund zuwider ist.‟
[ugh, uh, thanks]
true, the Grimms preferred a constitutional monarchy to an absolute / despotic monarchy... and they desperately wanted a powerful, unified Germany, with a smidgen of popular representation in government... but they also wanted a nice, strong patriarchal monarch at the head of affairs... a German Napoleon, let’s say...
[Napoleon?]
[Not Napoleon exactly. Like Napoleon]
[like me]
[nyah... nyaaah]
so whatever the truth of their hearts, it couldn’t have been the return to a more conservative constitution that bothered the Grimms... and as far as standing firm for the sake of their conscience goes... I’m sure they believed that wholeheartedly...
[indeed]
except it doesn’t ring true...
[what?]
not according to the historic record — and more tellingly, not according to the intuitive evidence they’ve left behind in Hansel and Gretel...
[what are you talking about?]
I’m talking about all the evidence we’ve found from reading in between the lines... evidence that that tells us their real beef with EA wasn’t his conservative politics or even his legitimate, albeit despotic, power as king...
[it’s not personal, Sonny, it’s strictly business]
yeah, sure... except with the Grimms this wasn’t business, this was strictly personal...
[how do you know that? how do you know that?]
well, we’re gonna connect the dots on all the intuitive bits of evidence, but first let’s pick up the factual trail of biographical breadcrumbs...
[alright, if you insist]
remember I said that the Grimms left Cassel in a snit and moved to Göttingen at the end of 1829...
[no]
yeah, well... the reason they left wasn’t just because they had a new gig in Göttingen... and the story behind their move to Göttingen — let’s call it the background, or maybe even better: the butterfly flapping its wings — is key...
[oh, I forgot my key. let me in now!]
[oh brother]
okay, okay... it all started with Jacob being passed over for the job of head librarian after the guy who had been in charge died...
for the record, the head librarian, Johann Ludwig Völkel died on January 31st, 1829... the Grimm brothers — who were his underlings as second and third librarians, filed their applications for promotion within 48 hours, on February 2nd and were both denied on February 5th...
[damn!]
yeah sure...anybody with normal ambition would’ve been disappointed... but for the Grimms, this was more than disappointing, it was annoying...
[huh?]
the guy Jacob was passed over for was a colleague the brothers didn’t get along with, and had little respect for... more importantly, this guy who did get the job Dietrich Christoph von Rommel, was someone favored by the Elector, William II, while they were anything but...
[it's very sad and it just shouldn't be this way]
see, William who was both their employer and their ruler had little interest in scholars and scholarship, and was in turn annoyed by the Grimms who, as I said, were very friendly with his wife and disapproved of his mistress...
[He’s a married man. With a goomah!]
[yeah, that’s what it is]
and so disappointment, which had turned into annoyance, turned into full blown resentment when William not only snubbed the Grimms and their applications for promotion, but offered them a bump in salary they considered insultingly small... kinda like Frankie Pentangeli...
[I don’t like the C-Note Rosato. I take that as an insult.]
we know about this so-called insult because Jacob complained about it (and about von Rommel) in letters to friends, and as I’ve said in the last few episodes, when it comes to complaining, the Grimms weren’t shy...
[what’s wrong with that?]
hell, we all do it... I get that... in fact, there’s one famous anecdote concerning their resignation that has William II saying:
”So the Grimms are leaving. What a loss! They have never done anything for me.”
annoyingly, I couldn’t find the historic source, so I’m only quoting from a fairly entertaining 1971 biography of the brothers by Murray B. Peppard...
I’ll leave a link: (p. 145 Paths Through the Forest)
[okee dokee]
there we go... another often-quoted quote that everybody copies and pastes without citing the source... kinda pisses me off...! I’ll bet it came in the form of a 3rd or 4th hand gossipy complaint the brothers repeated in letters to friends... but I digress...
[please, don’t do that]
there’s one more digression I do want to make though... from their perspective, this last quote makes William sound like an asshole, er, I mean an unsympathetic character — which he probably was, but that’s mostly if your sympathies lie strongly with the Grimms...
except think about it... if the quote was reasonably accurate — which I have no reason to doubt — what he said makes him more than just unsympathetic... it marks him as un-empathic... and it’s that lack of empathy that marks him as a narcissist. because leaving aside the sarcasm of: “what a loss!” that last sentence: “They’ve never done anything for me” is the very definition of narcissism.
I’ve got more to say about this, and about narcissism in general, which is the true villain of this fairytale (and this podcast), but let’s just move along and get to the point of this episode...
[yes, please]
according to Dr. Schmiesing’s excellent biography of the brothers, it was William the Elector’s mistress who finally clued him in to the magnitude of their growing celebrity and got him to change his mind about the library job... offering both brothers the promotions they originally wanted, and at a salary to beat the one they were offered in Göttingen...
and so, in the end he capitulated and they won...
[In these moments there’s just one thing to do]
well, I’ll let you be the judge... but here it was, the very thing they wanted, and it was being offered on a royal silver platter...
[so what did they do, did they cry?]
uh, no... in a snitty tit for tat, screw you buddy maneuver they said:
[thanks but no thanks]
uh yeah, some version of that... although probably through gritted teeth...
🎶 take this job and shove it 🎶
yeah that sounds a bit more like it... anyway, that my frents, is what they must have consider getting the last word in on a very powerful someone they didn’t like...
and so, having pocketed the satisfaction of getting in that last word they took off for Göttingen... all the while wishing they could have stayed in Cassel — and on their own terms...
except, uh, didn’t I just say that they could have...
[wait, wait, wait]
[human frailty, makes me sick sometimes]
you see, right here is a first historic hint that Jacob and Wilhelm were more than just a touch thin skinned...
leaving their beloved home town of Cassel for Göttingen — a town they intensely disliked (and actively complained about) — must have given them the kind of spiteful satisfaction you’d expect from some dumb-ass simpleton character in one of their fairytales...
[don’t say that]
reading into that historic snub of their Hessian ruler it’s intuitively plausible that their real criteria for a great monarch wasn’t somebody with chutzpah and charisma...
[like me]
yeah, well, by definition, Charlie Manson had chutzpah and charisma too...
[ahem]
I think what the Grimms prized above all was someone who would treat them like the big shot, celebrities er I mean, the distinguished professors and celebrated authors they were about to become... and while they eventually wrangled a concession of that sort out of William the Elector, getting one out of EA was never gonna happen...
[and why not?]
I’m glad you asked...
as far as enemies go, William turned out to be a wimp and a loser... by comparison, EA was a bombastic, bigger than life Bond villain...
and while the Grimms despised EA for his big deal constitutional move, they were probably more annoyed by the petty traits he shared with their old nemesis William II of Hesse... specifically: his complete indifference towards them, and towards their work and their celebrity, not to mention his well known disdain for scholars and scholarship in general...
in that regard, another famous unsourced quote has Ernst calling all professors:
»Federvieh der Tintenkleckser«
[what the fuck does that mean?]
a term that deserves some translating... it literally means poultry of inkblots...
[that’s stupid]
maybe a better term would be ink fowl - as a clever variation on water fowl...
[huh?]
if you consider that the German word for pen is Feder — because, of course, goose quill pen dipped in ink was the millennia old writing technology used by everyone — calling all literati and intellectuals a feathered species whose only job is to shit out inkblots...
well, you catch my drift on how cleverly satiric and sarcastic EA could be...
[small crowd laugh]
a lot of ink has been spilled over this constitutional showdown between EA and the Grimms... but until now, nobody has ever shown how it’s been hiding in the invisible ink of metaphor right there in between the lines of Hansel and Gretel...
[ooh! wow!]
getting back to our breadcrumbs, this showdown of wills and egos happened in 1837, and that means after almost 8 full years in Göttingen, the boys were now out of a job, but they weren’t destitute... the popular imagination quickly turned them into heroes, and a wave of crowdfunding spread across Germany helping to keep them afloat...
[indeed!]
and it wasn’t just money pouring in... plenty of empathic letters of support and solidarity kept their spirits afloat and their indignation nice and warm...
one letter in particular contained a poem written by Ottilie von Goethe — Goethe’s brilliant daughter-in-law...
[oh very nice]
it was all about a group of seven heavenly teachers shamefully oppressed by a certain Chinese monarch: Kingleku... which Jacob himself altered to read King le fou... or King the Fool...
[ah so]
all in all, it was pretty lame in its lack of subtlety, and Jacob’s alteration leaves nothing to the imagination...but does tie in with evidence we’ll produce in episode 42
despite all that moral support, they still needed a steady cash flow, which incidentally, is why they took up the idea of producing a dictionary... of course they realized it might take some time to finish that dictionary and have it become a best seller... uh, just like this podcast...
[ahem]
unlike this podcaster, they kept hoping their friends in Berlin would wrangle them a paid position up there... a position that would have had to be approved by Fritzi-Willi III, the wishy-washy King of Prussia...the very guy they had already lampooned in the fairy tale...
well, it took 3 whole years, but in 1840 they finally got their wish... because right after Fritzi-Willi had passed, they were invited to live and work in Berlin by his son Fritzi-Willi the 4th...
[hooray!]
jubilation, indeed... but then, listen to this... in his Intro to the 1840, 4th Edition, Wilhelm wrote:
„...ich fühle mich in Liebe und Hass jugendlich erfrischt.‟
“...I feel that I am youthfully invigorated in love and in hate.”
[wtf!]
see, that’s where they betray their one last burning wish... and that was to get the last word in on EA... just the way they did with William II of Hesse...
[yes, yes, I can see that]
now I think you can figure out for yourself how they did it — except they never quite got the last word in... not to their satisfaction... because for years, even after 1840, their anger with EA festered, and they often mentioned him...
so, technically, yes... they got the last word in but only because they outlived the guy... instead, what they got was the last laugh... and that, my dear frents and listeners — the tree or four of youse out dere — that’s a story that has yet to be told...
of course that’s where the next episode comes in... because that’s where I’m telling it... it’s a good story, and I think you’ll like it...
alrighty then, ciao a tutti
🎶 Taste the Spark 🎶
[goodbye]
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@18:04 "excellent...!" - Bela Lugosi
@18:32 crowd applause" - viele Berliner
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@24:02 "wokeness..." - 45/47
@24:04 "double double..." - Macbeth - Act 4 Scene 1
@24:08 "wokeness..." - 45/47
@24:09 "fire burn..." - Macbeth - Act 4 Scene 1
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@41:22 "...blabbermouth?" - Herman J. Mankiewicz
PART FIVE / Teil fünf @41:29
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