In episode 25 we hit a fairytale fashion show, get a new urge to go chasing rabbits, and then we say hello to the numen
Part 1 [02:11] - In which we watch Hansel trying to make enough coin to keep everyone’s shit together
Part 2 [16:24] - In which we hit a fashion show of fairytale couture and end up giving three cheers for the designer
Part 3 [22:24] - In which we discover one helluva a new urge, but then resist the urge to go, uh, chasing rabbits
Part 4 [32:35] - In which we say hello to the numen
🎶 intro music 🎶
[welcome to this podcast]
[the following presentation is intended only for immature audiences]
[it is against nature]
🎶 heavenly choir 🎶
[and god said: Let there be F-Bombs. And they were good. And they multiplied, right here in this podcast]
[we have even regenerated dead tissue]
[oh brother]
🎶 bell 🎶
bless me fadder for I have sinned... it’s been a couple weeks since my last episode
[who is this?]
🎶 Anachronist 🎶
hi and welcome to the Hansel and Gretel Code
[I remember]
uh right, this is Episode 25
IN OUR LAST EPISODE:
we spent a lot of time talking about Hansel’s Moon rocks and their metaphoric connection to the intuitive arts of Astrology and Alchemy... and then we brought up their more historic connection to the rosary and Catholic prayer...
in this episode we’re going to see how those stones are connected to yet another intuitive art... one that opens up a rabbit hole we just can’t avoid entering... not if we expect to get to the bottom of Hansel and Gretel and find all of those jewels I promised you back in Episode 1...
[okay, but you go first]
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PART ONE [01:58]
TEIL EINS: In which we watch Hansel trying to make enough coin to keep everyone’s shit together
[you shined shoes, cleaned sewers, did anything for money]
So let me remind you of where we are in the story by having our German storyteller extraordinaire, Jürgen Lexow once again give us the manuscript version of Hansel’s little moon walk...
Dann stand er leis auf und ging hinaus vor die Thüre, [...] [...] da wars Mondenschein und die weißen Kieselsteine glänzten vor dem Haus. Der Knabe las sie sorgfältig auf und füllte sein Rocktäschlein damit, soviel er nur hineinbringen konnte.
After that, he got up and tiptoed out the door... [...] where the moon shone, and the little white pebbles in front of the house glistened. The little boy carefully picked them up and filled his jacket pockets with as many of them as he could.
So whadda we got here...?
[I don’t know]
hey, it’s okay, all we need to do right now is to notice what Hansel is actually doing with those little white stones...
[what?]
he’s carefully picking them up and stuffing his pockets with them. As mundane and logical as this detail is, it serves to confirm the fact that our Intuition — the aspect of our own Consciousness represented by Hansel — is actively expending energy and doing some form of work... and it’s doing so at night, meaning in the Unconscious...
Of course, for you and me, especially in the context of this podcast — we’re used to putting our Intuition to work in the light of day... meaning in all Consciousness...
and that’s because WE have some respect for it... WE pay attention to it...
but you see, for most everyone else who reads this fairytale — or listens to someone reading it to them — Hansel is doing a job in and on their Unconscious...
do you get what I’m saying here...?
[catch my drift?]
[no!]
it’s unfortunate, but our Culture doesn’t know squat about Intuition... and what it thinks it knows is really just a bunch of misinformation...
and yet the Intuition of anyone who doesn’t understand it or even believe in it, is still doing it’s level best to keep them from being eaten by the witch...
[pirate says 'what a load of bollocks!']
yeah well, that goes back to what I said about modern-day witches in Episode 1...
[I remember]
right... and even if you don’t remember it’s all gonna make way more sense as we get deeper into our work on the fairytale...
Anyway, this work that Hansel is doing right now isn’t anything that can feed a family — or earn a buck — which is a big part of the reason our Culture has little or no respect for Intuition...
in fact, what’s usually believed about Intuition is that all it can do is make bogus claims about predicting the future...
[I have always lived in the future]
[ahem]
yeah, well despite those beliefs, Hansel is doing the kind of important work that’s meant to re-unite the family.
In other words, given the dire situation symbolized by famine and the loss of divine grace — not to mention the effect that has on all 4 Functions of Consciousness — this work of Intuition is meant to prevent an impending dissociation of Consciousness...
so you COULD say we’re watching Intuition doing its level best to keep everyone’s shit together...
we could also say it’s the kind of work that conforms to the definition of prayer — or at least some aspect of it — as in saying the rosary...
[oh mein gott, oh mein Gott, oh mein Gott]
then again, it’s something else as well.
[what’s that?]
well, to understand what that something else is, we’ve got to repeat the Grimms version of events... and we’ve gotta pay particular attention to THEIR description of those little moon rocks...
all they did, of course was to add an innocuous little simile to the manuscript version... but I gotta tell you, it’s looking more and more likely they were intent on giving us another hint as to the meaning of the fairytale... a hint that even less intuitive types than us might be able to pick up on...
[what a load of rubbish]
Da schien der Mond ganz helle, und die weißen Kieselsteine, die vor dem Haus lagen, glänzten wie lauter Batzen. Hänsel bückte sich und steckte so viel in sein Rocktäschlein, als nur hinein wollten.
The moon was shining brightly, and the white pebbles in front of the house were glistening like silver coins. Hansel bent over and filled his jacket pockets with them, as many as would fit.
this Librivox translation says the pebbles were like real silver pennies... and just so you know, the Grimms used the term: „lauter Batzen“...
[huh?]
Batzen were coins that were originally minted from real silver, but since Germany wasn’t a unified country with a central government or federal mint... Local governments minted their own Batzen and sometimes added other non-precious metals to the mix...
turns out you couldn’t always tell if the coins you had were the real thing or not, and, even if they were, you couldn’t always know what their true value was...
[that’s bad...]
in any case, the term „lauter“ means that they were the real McCoy... meaning that Hansel’s stones were like coins made of real silver...
[good enough]
I know, it seems like such an insignificant detail... in fact it seems SO insignificant that Margaret Hunt (one of the best known translators of the Grimms’ tales) actually left out the word REAL in her translation... she just said the stones “were glistening like silver coins.”
[yeah, so what?]
see, I think — or my Intuition thinks — that this reference to real silver was meant to emphasize the occult connection between these stones, the moon, and Alchemy... and what I mean is real Alchemy... just as I spoke of in Episode 24...
[I remember]
and so I get it, this may sound like metaphoric over-kill, but there really is a connection here... in other words, just as people could be fooled by bogus Batzen, they could also be fooled by bogus alchemists...
[who cares?]
so in an admittedly virgoan philologic aside I found that sometime between 1317 and 1322, the French Pope, John XXII wrote 2 separate decretals concerning counterfeiting... one, known as Prodiens quasi’ex adipe — literally meaning "Proceeding, as it were, from fat" — specifically threatened counterfeiters with excommunication...
[3 women screaming scream]
the other, more famous decretal was known as Spondent quas non exhibent — which sorta means "Guaranteeing something they can’t produce" — this decretal forbade alchemists from trying to pass off fake gold or silver as real, or to make it into coins... their punishment was to make restitution with real gold or silver equal in weight to what they counterfeited...
[a guy screams]
whether or not the Grimms deliberately inserted that word „lauter“ as a cheeky little reference to those 2 papal decretals (which would mean that — just like that coffin carpentry business of Episode 20 — it qualifies as yet another instance of metalepsis)*
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*see Episode 20 - DIY Coffin Carpentry for my take on the rhetorical trope known as metalepsis
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and I don’t know what connotations that word occult has for you... although I suspect they’d be awfully similar to what mine always were...
for me, occult always meant something woo woo, magical, dark, secretive, mysterious and possibly dangerous...
of course for über-logical / scientific types — it might have those same connotations, but would probably always include the adjectives: irrational and bogus...
[oh absolutely]
you know, something having to do with seances, ouja boards and the word charlatans...
[they called me a charlatan]
[oh dear, that’s rather alarming]
once you learn the truth about Intuition though, it becomes obvious that the word occult really means metaphoric, intuitive, and if there’s anything secretive about it, it just means hidden from the eyes of logic and all those histrionic despisers of Intuition...
[enough rants!]
okay, rant over...
if we were to brainstorm silver coins we’d have to include a reference to Matthew 26:15 — with Judas and his thirty pieces of silver...
[definitely]
and yet an interpretation like that is loaded in a very different sort of direction... I mean, the word Judas is pretty much synonymous with betrayal...
and while there are plenty of legitimate biblical references peppered throughout this fairytale, betrayal of friends doesn’t fit anywhere in the story of Hansel and Gretel...
[why the fuck not?]
It seems so far off the mark, I think it’s safe to ignore...
For my money, what makes the most sense here is the alchemical connection...
See, in Alchemy, each of the seven planets are connected symbolically with a particular metal; silver being the metal of the Moon, (iron is the metal of Mars, copper is the metal of Venus, gold is the metal of the Sun, and so on)... but this just repeats what we've already understood about Alchemy from episode 24.
So I guess there's no greater depth of meaning to be found in these stones. Right?
[yes sir!]
Or is there?
[no sir!]
Well, it turns out there IS something here of crucial importance... and it’s based on a curious detail that appears in plenty of other fairytales...
[hmm, what’s that?]
well, it’s something that looks like a rabbit hole, but let me tell you, unless we go through it, we’d probably miss the point of the entire fairytale...
[no, nope, forget it, forget it]
well, suit yourself... but if you don’t come along you’re gonna miss out on a snazzy sort of magical fashion show
[no way!]
oh yeah... trust me, this is too good to miss out on... and it really will be magical as hell...
[alright, if you insist]
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PART TWO [16:24]
TEIL ZWEI: In which we hit a fashion show of fairytale couture and end up giving three cheers for the designer
[yay]
so, I mentioned other fairy tales and fairytale couture...
🎶 [ooh la la sasson...] 🎶
[ahem]
okay, I’m thinking of 2 stories that don’t have very much in common with Hansel and Gretel: one of them is Perrault's Donkey Skin / Peau d’Âne.
[ooh la la sasson]
[oh my god]
and the other one that I’m more familiar with is the Grimms’ All Kinds of Fur / Allerleirauh.
[ja, ja, it’s okay]
In both of these tales, the heroine demands the manufacture of 3 dresses: one as golden as the sun, one as white as the moon, and one that glistens like the stars.
[I love that dress, because I can see your round buttocks right through it]
[puh! ma che dici, scemo! oooh!]
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according to the Perrault version: one dress the color of the Sky, one the color of the Moon and one the color of the Sun...
“…une robe de la couleur du temps…” / “L‘empyrée n‘est pas d‘un plus beau bleu…”
“…une couleur de la lune.”
“…une robe couleur du soleil…”
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okay, okay... in striking parallel to our own tale, the Grimms’ 1812 version specifies the second dress to be as “white as the moon” — you know, white like those pebbles — while in their final, 1857 version, they change the specs to “silver as the moon.”
[ooh]
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(1812) „...eins so golden wie die Sonne, eins so weiß wie der Mond, und eins so glänzend wie die Sterne....“
(1857) „...eins so golden wie die Sonne, eins so silbern wie der Mond, und eins so glänzend wie die Sterne....“
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Whatever significance professional folklorists have assigned to these three dresses, my own Intuition has always connected them to the three main occult practices known to Western European Culture, namely: Alchemy, Astrology, and Witchcraft.
[I don’t get it]
In the same way that “cloth” in the phrase, “man of the cloth” is a rhetorical trope that substitutes cloth for “clergy,” in these fairytales, the different dresses qualify as the same sort of thing — a so-called metonomy... which is just a specific form of metaphor that equates each dress with the practice of one of those occult, intuitive arts.
[this is really confusing for me]
While it was crystal clear to me that Alchemy was implied by reference to the Sun and the color gold, and Astrology was implied by reference to the Stars, connecting the Moon — and the color white or silver — with the practice of Witchcraft, or even Magic had always caused me some odd, niggling doubt.
and what I’m getting at is how in our story, we not only find both Alchemy and Astrology symbolized in Hansel’s Moon rocks... we really should have Witchcraft or at least some sort of magic implied in them as well...
right?
[well, I don’t know]
see, we’ve both got some doubts...
I mean, given that we’re gonna have Witchcraft implied in the more literal example of our gingerbread witch, is that REALLY what the Moon implies here...??
[I don’t know (giggle)]
and how could Witchcraft be connected to our innocent little Hansel...?
[I don’t know!]
well, my incomplete understanding of Witchcraft was partially to blame for my earlier doubts,
[uh, excuse you]
but then my subsequent research suddenly opened up a world I had only been marginally aware of, and I’m not just talking about Witchcraft or Wicca or even Magick with a k.
[what are you talking about?]
I’m talking about Hermeticism...
[huh??]
and of course, I’m not talking about Herman’s Hermits or those crabby old guys who live in that weird house down the block...
[you kids get off my lawn]
I’m not even talking about those holy hermits and anchorites from Episode 6
🎶 [chanting] 🎶
I’m talking about a whole world of ancient texts known as the Corpus Hermeticum so-called by virtue of their presumptive author: Hermes Trismegistus or Thrice Great Hermes...
[hip hip hooray x3]
okay, I guess that’s 3 cheers for Hermes...
[dad joke groans]
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PART THREE [22:24]
TEIL DREI: In which we discover one helluva a new urge, but then resist the urge to go, uh, chasing rabbits
[thank you]
so Hermeticism is something you might call a kind of religious philosophy akin to Gnosticism, and more importantly, it’s a kind of philosophic, intuitive umbrella that might as well be considered the source of Astrology, Alchemy, and a third — hugely important — intuitive art known as
[Pizza!]
uh, no... it's known as Theurgy...
[what the fuck is that?]
well, just hang on for a sec... we’re gonna get to that...
see, learning about Hermeticism cured that niggling doubt I’d had about the connection between Witchcraft and the Moon... and that’s because it introduced me to Theurgy, which, as far as I can tell, is a much more inclusive and ancient intuitive art than what we tend to think of as Witchcraft... and what I mean is, Witchcraft seems to be a branch of Theurgy, which itself, is a branch of Hermeticism...
in fact, the relationship between Alchemy, Astrology and Theurgy is explained by the fact that all 3 come under the rubric of Hermeticism...
[hmm]
I can’t recall — or re-create from my notes — the breadcrumbs that led me to Hermeticism — although I suspect it came out of my research into Witchcraft — but what I learned, and what completely blew me away was a quote I came across in the wiki page on Hermeticism...
It said:
There are two different types of magic... (according to Pico's Apology) completely opposite of each other. The first is γοητεια, Goëtia, black magic reliant upon an alliance with evil spirits (i.e. demons). The second is Theurgy, divine magic reliant upon an alliance with divine spirits (i.e. angels, archangels, gods).
[ooh]
so then, from the wiki page on Goetia I learned that:
During the Renaissance goeteia (Latinized as goetia...) was sometimes contrasted with magia as black (evil) vs. white magic, or with Theurgy as "low" vs. "high" magic.
[so what?]
now the part that blew me away wasn’t the black magic / goeteia business... that WAS new information, since as far as I knew, I hadn’t come across the word goetia before in my research...
it was also a bit puzzling since it doesn’t seem that far off from the practice of necromancy i.e. calling up dead spirits that we mentioned in Episode 12 — and for sure, it coincides with the business of Grimoires that we came across in Episode 22 - A Grimms Grimoire...
a Grimoire was was kinda like a magic telephone book... it had all the names you needed to know if you wanted call up any of those angels or demons...
[excellent]
no, what totally blew me away was that name: Theurgy...
it seemed new because I didn’t think I’d ever come across it before...
and just so you know, I’ve read a whole helluva lot of Jung, and if he ever mentioned it, it somehow didn’t make much of an impression on me... which would really surprise me, because let me tell you... what I learned about Theurgy was a game changer — and not only because Theurgy is intimately related to Alchemy and Astrology...
Theurgy is actually central to Jung’s practice of psychology...
[what?]
yeah, so let me explain...
when you go looking for more academic definitions of Theurgy, you can quickly and easily get stuck in the mud of their über-logical thinking and very proper academic-speak...
[oh no...]
now don’t get me wrong... I have total respect for the academics who did the hard work of reading the original material related to Theurgy and Hermeticism, not to mention the mountain of analytic papers and books that their fellow academics have written about it...
I just can’t get over the impression though that none of them actually know what Intuition is...
and it’s obvious to me that Theurgy — and Hermeticism, in all of its branches— IS the work of Intuition itself...
[oooh]
According to one important academic — Bert van den Berg of the University of Leiden:
The precise meaning of the word theourgia is much debated. Contrary to theologia, it is not just a matter of speaking about the divine, but also involves action.
(Proclus' hymns: essays, translations, commentary)
[well, okay]
and whaddya know: right there we have our intuitive observation about Hansel taking action and performing some sort of work...
see, just as we’ve got Hansel doing the physical work of collecting stones, Theurgy involves the work of performing rituals and the singing of hymns as active, rather than passive or intellectual forms of not just magic, but of worship...
[well, fine then]
so here’s a quote from another important academic text I found that says the exact same thing, and then explains a bit more of what professor van den Berg did, but in a language that’s a little less opaque...
this text was the Ph.D thesis of the late Ruth Majercik of UC Santa Barbara and it’s called: The Chaldean Oracles : text, translation and commentary
now I’m going to quote professor Majercik, but just notice the way you could easily insert the word Witchcraft for magic or even for Theurgy:
how are we to distinguish theurgy from magic, which it closely resembles? Is theurgy simply a form of “white” or “good” magic in contrast to “black” or “evil” magic associated with the name göetia....?
Yes and no.
Theurgy certainly appropriates many of the techniques familiar to the magician, but its purpose is quite different: whereas “common” magic has a “profane” goal (e.g., in its “white” form, influencing a lover or affecting the weather), theurgy has a specific religious or salvific end, the purification and salvation of the soul....
Theurgy should be regarded basically as a religious phenomenon, albeit one that is comfortable with the outward forms of magic.
[that is excellent]
there is so much academic material out there on Theurgy that we really could get lost in it, so we’ll just stick to one small quote from Professor van den Berg saying the same thing as Professor Majercik...
he says that the object of theurgy is:
the reversion (epistrophe) of the human soul upon the divine world. (and) consists in the process of ascent of the human soul to its divine origin.
see, in his words, the object of Theurgy is to become like the Divine... he also calls this reversion or return to the divine source: "epistrophe" — which isn’t all that far off from henosis or a return to The One that we first mentioned in Episode 5 - Honest to God Poverty...
and since Theurgy really includes becoming divine it’s the same thing that Marguerite Porete got burned at the stake for back in 1310...
remember her from Episode 8 - Hey, Man - Got Any Bread?...?
[no!]
well all of this return to the Father, return to the Source and Unification with the One business is the true goal of Hansel and his sister Gretel — which means that the fairytale itself works as a metaphor for the intent of Theurgy...
[oh my god, this is so heavy, I can't stand it]
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PART FOUR [32:35]
TEIL Vier: In which we say hello to the numen
[hiya Newman]
[oh brother]
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Quite connected to Hermeticism is the entire tradition of the Kabbalah — another work of Intuition, and something that Pico della Mirandola was fascinated by...
Pico, a prominent member of that cabal of intellectuals at the famous Florentine court of Lorenzo the Magnificent was not only fascinated by the Corpus Hermeticum and Neoplatonism, he was intent on introducing the Kaballah to European Christians.
Jung, to his credit, and citing a lack of expertise in the matter, made only sparing reference to it, always making a point of citing the experts he corresponded with on the subject.
As a subject in itself, Kaballah's complexity requires extensive study in its own right, and my complete lack of expertise in it means that I can say nothing more about it.
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One thing in particular has always stood out from my reading of Jung, and that is his constant reliance on Rudolf Otto's concept of the Numinous (and numinous experience), which Otto wrote about in his book on the Idea of the Holy and which basically amounts to an eloquent explanation of what is actually meant by what most everyone would call a religious experience...
🎶 [sublime choir] 🎶
[ahem]
it’s something I spoke about in Episode 3...
[I remember]
According to Otto, the word numinous derives from the Latin word numen, and it really means the felt presence of the Deity — what’s otherwise known as a theophany which actually means the Deity putting in a personal appearance...
you know, like what happened to Bernadette Soubirous at Lourdes...
you could even say it’s a cheeky little easter egg hiding in plain sight in so many episodes of Seinfeld...
[hello, Newman]
[are you kidding me!]
hey, even if the intentional meaning of that gag had nothing to do with anything numinous — which Jerry insists was the case — your Intuition understands the occult truth within it, so: I kid you not...
but I digress...
the important and memorable thing for me was that whenever Jung referred to the word, numen, he said that it means a sign or a nod.
actually, Jung didn’t mention that word numen very often, but the first time I read it, it left such a deep impression, I never forgot it.
so, the silliness of Seinfeld aside, we COULD say that the numen is exactly what a 3rd base coach gives you...
[what!]
yeah well, that’s definitely true, even if the majority of 3rd base coaches in the history of baseball never studied any Latin...
[oh my god]
alright, well, in explaining the numen Jung said that the ancients would whisper a heartfelt question or intention into the ear of a statue of a god or goddess
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in fact in one place he says whisper and in another he says shout — so who knows — since uncharacteristically, he didn’t cite his source...
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anyway, after whispering their question, the person would sit before the statue and wait attentively, patiently and meditatively, for an answer—
[I’m waiting]
The image of Catholic believers kneeling before statues of saints or Christ or Mary at a so-called novena might be a more familiar form of the same concept.
[I’m waiting]
although what Jung described is awfully similar to the proper way of using the Yi Jing, or Runes or even Tarot cards.
[I’m still here waiting]
So now here’s the kicker:
According to Jung, the answer from the god or goddess came in the form of a physically perceived sign or nod from the statue. In other words, a numen...
And believe me, he was adamant in insisting that this actually happened for these reverential supplicants, and maybe not necessarily as a physical reality, but certainly as a psychic reality, i.e. as an intensely felt intuitive experience.
He cites it as an experience of the numinous because it really meant that the god or goddess made their presence known to you.
[wow]
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He also cites a personal experience that parallels this phenomenon. Specifically, visiting Ravenna and having the most vivid experience and memory of seeing certain mosaics that, as he later found out, NEVER EXISTED in reality. Rationally, one would have to call this an example of hallucination, albeit, one occurring in a sane person, and very much like a waking dream. But rather than leading him on the road to insanity, it was a decidedly positive, life and consciousness enhancing experience.
And at this stage of my research, I find myself almost wondering if I didn’t, like Jung, simply imagine reading this, since I am having the devil’s own time trying to find the exact place in the Collected Works where this is. If it weren’t for the fact that this same story has been repeated in numerous places on the internet (and all without citing the exact reference), I’d almost have to wonder.
I finally found it! (in Memories, Dreams, Reflexions pp. 286-288)
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So, the point I’m trying to make is that it was only in reading the academic accounts of Theurgy that I was able to see the connection between Jung's definition of the Numen and Theurgy.
He never said so specifically, but he was, in fact, describing the very practice of Theurgy, which academics call, somewhat derisively, "animating statues”... they also describe it as bringing the gods down into the statues... and what I learned is that the source of the idea comes from a specific Hermetic text known as the Asclepius...
[interesting]
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The interesting thing (and the reason I had been so woefully ignorant of Hermeticism and Theurgy) is that while Jung does, indeed, mention Hermeticism and Theurgy in various places of the Collected Works (CW), his focus on Alchemy was so intense that he never elaborated on these other concepts, and so gives his readers little guidance in terms of understanding their importance.
Amateur readers of Jung (like myself) are left to rely on our own curiosity and industry in order to follow up on researching them.
As far as astrology goes, we know from Jung's letters that he was a practitioner / adept of astrology, and in the CW he goes on at some length explaining certain key psychological concepts by way of the astronomic and astrologic phenomena associated with them.
It's also obvious (in retrospect) that he read extensively from the Corpus Hermeticum, and was more than familiar with the hermetic texts and their importance, but he doesn't connect the dots for us — not as as specifically as he did with Alchemy or Astrology.
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Of course this idea of animating statues extends right down into the most superstitious and literal form of the practice, which is why academics like to roll their eyes over the whole business... see, there were likely to be as many people trying to achieve a literal version of this sort of statue magic as there are people hoping to turn a one dollar lottery ticket into multi-millions.
[cha-ching]
and when you think about it this description of Theurgy is also the basis of that very entertaining story known as the Sorcerer's Apprentice.
which is actually an antique story of magic that Goethe wove into a poem and that I, like most Boomers, was introduced to via Walt Disney’s Fantasia
[okay boomer]
Hey, it’s also a basic form of the process that was dramatized in Mary Shelly's novel, Frankenstein, since it involved the re-animation of dead tissue.
[it is truly disgusting]
But all of this would still be as much of a Logical misunderstanding of Intuition and Theurgy as the idea of literally changing lead into gold is a Logical misunderstanding of Alchemy.
[who cares?]
well, I think you and I need to keep the real flame of Intuition going and keep reminding ourselves where history has lumped the bogus in with the true and thrown a wet blanket over the whole thing...
That said, there really IS something to laugh about in Theurgy and that’s how it’s comically connected to the so-called talking statues of Rome...
[what are they?]
see, there’s a group of statues scattered about Rome and they embody an incredibly witty play on the ancient theme of Theurgy.
The most famous of these statues, the so-called Pasquino, is not only alive and well today, but, ironically, is also something of an adopted child to one of the characters in our story.
and just in case you’ve never heard of him, it’s a tradition in Rome for people to write crazy-witty little poems anonymously criticizing the powers that be and tape them to one of the statues... satiric little poems like that have been around for a long time and are called pasquinades / pasquinacci after il Pasquino...
[yes, you are right]
[hooray!]
IN OUR NEXT EPISODE:
we still have this rabbit hole of Theurgy to consider...
[uh oh]
and we WILL be going a bit deeper into it in the course of the next couple of episodes
[oh boy, oh boy, oh boy]
so if you want to bail on the podcast... I hate to see you go, but I understand...
of course that means you’ll be missing out on an all expenses paid trip to the underworld led by the Cumean Sibyl and a personal introduction to the real Dr. Faustus, but hey... I get it...
[oh no!]
so, before I go, there are a couple of things...
first of all a huge shout out to Edwin Alvarez, a long-time friend from Chicago who is not only a practitioner of Chinese Medicine and Acupuncture, but a generous supporter of the show...
thanks for tossing some bread my way, Edwin... the grace of your support is much, much appreciated, my frent...
and if anybody else is so inclined to get mentioned on the show, er, I mean, contribute to the podcast there’s a link to my buy me a coffee page on the website and in the show notes...
you know the drill:
[visit us on the web @www...]
betweenthelines.xyz
alrighty then, ciao a tutti...
🎶 finders keepers loosers lose 🎶
[I’m still here... WAITING!]
[this concludes our broadcast day, goodnight, and god bless america]
[ciao, ciao]
got a question, or just want to say hi...?
*Chapter Titles read by Anna Jacobsen*
*German Fairytale Reading by Jürgen Lexow*
*Librivox recording (auf Deutsch) of Hänsel und Gretel read by Stephan Gambke*
*Librivox recording of Hansel and Gretel read by Bob Neufeld*
Music Credits
*🎶*🎶* Bleeping Demo by Kevin MacLeod of filmmusic.io
🎶 The Man Without a Body 🎶 music composed and Conducted by Albert Elms
🎶 Anachronist 🎶 by Kevin MacLeod and licensed under filmmusic.io/standard-license
🎶 finders keepers - loosers lose 🎶 courtesy of deleted_user_4338788 and freesound.org
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kristo's awesome Peanut Gallery
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@00:08 "can you hear me?" - Dr. Phil Merritt
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@00:17 "it is against nature" - the head of Nostradamus
@00:21 🎶 heavenly choir 🎶 courtesy of liezen3 and freesound.org
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@00:25 F-Bombs um, warning: (special) thanks to our good friend Ame Sanders of stateofinclusion.com
@00:37 "we have even regenerated dead tissue" - Dr. Phil Merritt
@00:41 "oh brother!" courtesy of max_cristos and freesound.org
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@00:43 🎶 deep church bell 🎶 courtesy of Aeonemi and freesound.org
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@00:52 "who is this?" - Dr. Phil Merritt
@01:05 "I remember" - the head of Nostradamus
@02:05 "alright, but you go first" courtesy of IPaddeh and freesound.org
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PART 1 / Teil Eins @02:11
@00:52 "you shined shoes, cleaned sewers, did anything for money" - Karl Brussard
@03:29 "I don't know" courtesy of kurtless and freesound.org
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@03:38 "what?” courtesy of Roses1401 and freesound.org
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@04:46 "catch my drift?" - Warden Norton
@04:49 "No!” courtesy of theuncertainman and freesound.org
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@05:14 "pirate says..." courtesy of Anzbot and freesound.org
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@05:23 "I remember" - the head of Nostradamus
@06:05 "I have always lived in the future" - the head of Nostradamus
@06:12 "ahem" courtesy of Alivvie and freesound.org
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@07:05 "oh mein gott” courtesy of Roses1401 and freesound.org
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@07:13 “what’s that?” courtesy of ballOOnhead and freesound.org
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@07:50 "what a load of rubbish!" courtesy of Anzbot and freesound.org
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@08:35 "huh...?" courtesy of Adam_N and freesound.org
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@09:11 "that’s bad" courtesy of Reitanna Seishin and freesound.org
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@09:23 “good enough” courtesy of bectec and freesound.org
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@09:54 "yeah, so what?" courtesy of deleted_user_1390811 and freesound.org
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@10:16 "I remember" - the head of Nostradamus
@10:40 "who cares?" courtesy of ballOOnhead and freesound.org
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@11:22 3 women scream courtesy of thanvannispen and freesound.org
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@12:02 "a guy screams" courtesy of Kalibrk and freesound.org
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@13:10 “oh absolutely” courtesy of bectec and freesound.org
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@13:20 "they called me a charlatan" - the head of Nostradamus
@13:24 "...alarming" courtesy of pyro13djt and freesound.org
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@13:51 "enough rants" courtesy of unfa and freesound.org
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@14:09 “definitely” courtesy of bectec and freesound.org
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@14:36 "why the fuck not?" courtesy of cheesepuff and freesound.org
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@15:25 "yes sir!" courtesy of theuncertainman and freesound.org
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@15:29 “No Sir!” courtesy of theuncertainman and freesound.org
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@15:43 “hmm, what's that?” courtesy of pyro13djt and freesound.org
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@15:56 "no, forget it...!" courtesy of deleted_user_1390811 and freesound.org
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@16:08 "no way!" courtesy of owly-bee and freesound.org
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@16:18 "...if you insist" courtesy of bogenseeberg and freesound.org
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PART 2 / Teil Zwei @16:24
@16:38 "yay (sorta)" courtesy of Kurck and freesound.org
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@16:49 🎶 ooh la la sasson... 🎶 - the NY Rangers
@17:02 "ahem" courtesy of Alivvie and freesound.org
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@17:20 "ooh la la sasson" - Paul Dottino
@17:23 "oh my God" courtesy of deleted_user_1390811 and freesound.org
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@17:34 "ja, ja, it's okay” courtesy of Roses1401 and freesound.org
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@17:56 “that dress...” courtesy of Duisterwho and freesound.org
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@18:03 "...Scemo!!!" - Annalisa Zucca
@18:31 "oooh" courtesy of brunchik and freesound.org
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@18:57 "I don't get it” courtesy of Krystal Flores and freesound.org
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@19:28 "...confusing for me” courtesy of Krystal Flores and freesound.org
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@20:14 "well, i don't know" courtesy of daphneporras and freesound.org
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@20:34 "(giggle) I don't know" courtesy of nfrae and freesound.org
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@20:43 "I don’t know!" courtesy of nuncaconci and freesound.org
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@20:51 "uhh, excuse you..." courtesy of Alivvie and freesound.org
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@21:09 "what are you talking about?" courtesy of laelizondo and freesound.org
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@21:15 “huh???” courtesy of a13389 and freesound.org
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@21:25 "get off my lawn!" courtesy of HootOwl and freesound.org
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@21:36 "men's choir” courtesy of liezen3 and freesound.org
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@22:03 "hip, hip hooray" - Garrison Sergeant Major Billy Mott of the Welsh Guards
@22:15 dad joke groans" courtesy of TeamMasaka and freesound.org
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PART 3 / Teil Drei @22:24
@22:40 "thank you" courtesy of Legnalegna55 and freesound.org
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@23:09 "pizza!" courtesy of Nighteller and freesound.org
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@23:17 “what the fuck is that?” courtesy of cheesepuff and freesound.org
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@24:08 "hmm..." courtesy of agent vivid
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@25:04 "oooh" courtesy of brunchik and freesound.org
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@25:30 "so what!" courtesy of deleted_user_1390811 and freesound.org
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@26:18 "excellent (echo)" courtesy of bogenseeberg and freesound.org
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@27:06 "what?" courtesy of Krystal Flores and freesound.org
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@27:25 “oh no” courtesy of qubodup and freesound.org
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@28:05 "oooh" courtesy of brunchik and freesound.org
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@28:31 well, okay" courtesy of LG and freesound.org
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@29:04 “well fine then” courtesy of deleted_user_1390811 and freesound.org
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@30:51 "that is excellent” courtesy of MatteusNova and freesound.org
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@32:03 "No!” courtesy of theuncertainman and freesound.org
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@32:26 "oh my god, this is too heavy, I can't stand it" courtesy of tekgnosis and freesound.org
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PART 4 / Teil Vier @32:35
@32:43 "hello, Newman" - Jerry Seinfeld
@32:46 "oh brother!" courtesy of max_cristos and freesound.org
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@33:18 "angelic sublime choir" courtesy of bone666138 and freesound.org
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@33:27 "I remember" - the head of Nostradamus
@34:05 "hello, Newman" - Jerry Seinfeld
@34:08 "are you kidding me!?" courtesy of LittleRainySeasons and freesound.org
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@35:03 "what?!?" courtesy of Reitanna Seishin and freesound.org
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@35:13 "oh my god" courtesy of MatteusNova and freesound.org
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@35:45 "I'm waiting" courtesy of pyro13djt and freesound.org
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@36:01 "I'm waiting" courtesy of pyro13djt and freesound.org
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@36:14 "I'm still here waiting" courtesy of pyro13djt and freesound.org
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@36:57 "I'm waiting" courtesy of pyro13djt and freesound.org
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@37:09 "wow" courtesy of Legnalegna55 and freesound.org
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@37:53 "interesting..." courtesy of Reitanna Seishin and freesound.org
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@38:22 "cha-ching!" courtesy of angelak_m and freesound.org
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@38:49 "okay Boomer" - Chlöe Swarbrick
@39:03 “...truly disgusting” courtesy of Duisterwho and freesound.org
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@39:20 "who cares?" courtesy of ballOOnhead and freesound.org
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@39:49 "what are they?" courtesy of AmeAngelofSin and freesound.org
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@40:38 "YES YOU ARE RIGHT" courtesy of Puniho and freesound.org
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@40:40 "hooray!" courtesy of javapimp and freesound.org
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@40:47 “uh oh!” courtesy of xtrgamr and freesound.org
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@40:54 "(an exasperated) oh boy... oh boy..." courtesy of AmeAngelofSin and freesound.org
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@41:21 "oh no" courtesy of bogenseeberg and freesound.org
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@42:33 "I'm waiting" courtesy of pyro13djt and freesound.org
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@42:35 "...and God bless America" courtesy of crashoverride6 and freesound.org
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@42:43 "ciao, ciao" courtesy of Nighteller and freesound.org
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